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Humphrey DNA Results & Analysis


 




" Sept 10 (1620)    Michaell sonne of Michaell Humfrey bapt. "



Our Humphrey data has been submitted to Charles Kerchner's YSTR Log for a study of YSTR mutation rates in family projects. Surname project administrators can add information at :

                                                              Kerchner YSTR LOG


                                                                                                                                                                                           
           
            To go directly to our DNA Results/Analysis, go to:  Results Table

            To go directly to our Humphrey surname project signup,   go to:

                                                                                     ***** Recent Updates *****

Count by haplogroup:

R1b = 24,  I1a* = 6,  E3b = 5,  R1a = 1,  I = 1,  I1b = 1,  I1c = 1
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We are currently seeking DNA testing for men with surnames Hue(s) & Humphrey (ry)(fry)(frey), etc who live in/near the Honiton, Lyme Regis area, or men who may have male-line ancestors who lived there.    ******************************* 

details below:

07/07/07 Update:  We now have 43 members in our FTDNA project, 39 with current DNA test results.  We have now verified that 4 of  our 5 members who tested as haplogroup E3b are direct male descendants of Jonas Humphrey.  These 4  match closely enough to support the descendancy, and our 5th E3b member is getting a higher resolution test to compare. Details are below: Jonas immigrated in 1635 from England to Massachusetts.

07/05/07 Update:  The Dorset Country records office has given us a copy of the marriage certificate of Michael Humphrey & Martha Pride, my 11th grandparents, July 4, 1615, Bridport, Dorset, near Lyme Regis.  Other records corroborate the supposition that Michael likely was born in the Humphry families in Honiton, Devon, 15 miles NW of Lyme Regis. There are court records indicating possible relationships with Hue(s). Several Hues families adopted the surname Humphrey in the mid to late 1500's, and we have copies of several records of this change.

We are currently seeking DNA testing for men with surnames Hue(s) & Humphrey (ry)(fry)(frey), etc who live in/near the Honiton, Lyme Regis area, or men who may have male-line ancestors who lived there.     *******************************


04/21/07 Update:  We now have 40 members in our FTDNA project, 34 with current DNA test results.

Soon we will have results for a direct male descendant of Jonas Humphrey, 1620, who immigrated from Wendover, Buckinghamshire to Massachusetts in 1635. We expect some close matches with other members.  Michael Humphrey of Lyme Regis, Dorset, 1620, and Jonas are the earliest known Humphrey male immigrants to America.


12/11/06 Update:  We now have 33 members in our FTDNA Humphrey project.  New  test results indicate Haplogroups R1a, E3b, J2, I1c, and the majority continue to be R1b. This is consistent with the generality of the surname ( & various spellings), particularly in the British Isles.

To go directly to our DNA Results/Analysis, go to:  Results Table 
You can also go to our public website at FTDNA:   FTDNA Humphrey Project

Our original 4 I1a* members are of my lineage, tracing back to Michael Humphrey, born 1577, Honiton, Devon.  His son Michael, born 1620 in Lyme Regis, Dorset, immigrated to Connecticut in 1640. We have two other I1a* members, one surnamed Peet with a 24/25 match with our modal I1a* haplotype.

Two of our R1b members, kit#  18304 & 41586,  have a 25/25 match, and merged their family trees, having a common ancestor, David Humphreys, born ~ 1790, in Wales.

                           ***** Previous updates at end of this page *****


The referenced graphs show distributions for our I1a* haplotype & others in the British Isles and Europe:
                            Graphs of Capelli's British Isles data - 2004
                            Graphs of Rootsi's European data - 2004

          *** Possible Migrations to England of Humphrey(s) ancestors  ***
Given the very high percentage of R1b in Ireland, Wales, Scotland,  and given the Celtic history in Europe, it seems likely that the indigenous Celtic population in the British Isles prior to the Roman era is a natural initial source of R1b in England today.  E3b & J2 populations may have come before or with the Romans, a currently popular notion, as well as afterwards.

Combining family verbal lore, surname linguistics, English & Norman history, we now have more evidence to support the supposition that our I1a1 line had Norwegian ancestors as recently as year 400, Norman ancestors from approximately year 900, & English ancestors, likely in southern England, the Channel Islands and/or Isle of Wight, circa 1066, & with the Norman invasion at Hastings. For several centuries, the surname Humphrey has been concentrated in the Southeast of England, East Anglia, and Yorkshire.  Currently, the surname Humphreys (or Humphries) is concentrated in Wales.

However, there are other logical possibilities supported by English history & the genetic results:  (1)  Our ancestors were Norwegian Vikings migrating to Northwest England in the 10th & 11th centuries (possibly through Ireland),  eastward toward York, Norfolk, East Anglia, then south to Kent, Surrey, and Sussex, or (2) Danish/German ancestors arriving as Anglo/Saxons in the 5th & 6th centuries, settling in eastern England before the Viking invasions, or (3)  arriving in the 9th, 10th & 11th centuries with the Danish Viking invasions & Danelaw.

Our I1a1 haplotype occurs in Capelli's data (2005) at frequencies of 6.47% in Norway & 5.26% in Denmark.  In Capelli's data York has the highest percentage of our I1a1 haplotype at 11% of the total, followed by 7.8% in Durness, northern Scotland,  6.8% in the Western Isles, 5.8% in Norfolk, & 5.6% in Penrith, Cumbria. Most of these are known to have been extensively settled by Norwegian Vikings.

The "I" haplogroup in York is 33% of the total sample, the highest concentration in any of the English, Scottish, or Irish regions.  In Capelli's 2004 data, the highest level of "I" was in Denmark/Germany at 39.5%, followed by 32.6% in York, 31% in Norfolk, and 28.4% in Norway.

Though it's currently thought that our I1a* lineage split from it's parental I1a lineage in western Norway, perhaps 3000+ years ago, it's possible, given today's near-parity ocurrence in Denmark as well as Norway, that our I1a* ancestors may have arrived with the Anglo-Saxons, or later with the Danish or NorwegianVikings, or with the Normans, circa 1066.  The Norman-influenced "Humphrey" form of our surname is most prevalent today in eastern England. 







General Goals

Our goal is to identify Humphrey family lineages in America & Europe.  We want to find the family relationships and determine our most recent common ancestry. My lineage is from Michael Humphrey, who immigrated from Lyme Regis, Dorset, England, to Connecticut in 1640.

We are also seeking descendants of Jonas Humphrey of Weymouth & Dorchester, Mass., born 1620, in Wendover, Bucks, England, immigrated to  Mass. in 1634, and we are seeking members of the family of David Carlisle Humphreys,  born 1741 in Ireland, who came to America about 1764, settling in Greenville, Virginia.

                                                   Specific Goals

We will subsidize DNA testing to try to solve 2 genealogical puzzles:

(1) Who were the parents of Michael Humphrey, born 1620 in Lyme Regis?  Who were their ancestors & where did they live? We believe the parents of Michael to be Michael Humphrey, born 1577 in Honiton, Devon, 15 miles from Lyme Regis, and Martha Pride, born  ~1590.  They were married in Bridport, Dorset, in 1615.  LDS copies of Bishop's transcripts for Lyme Regis were examined in March, 2005.

(2) Verify that Ozias Sr., born 1763 in Simsbury, Connecticut, was the father of Ozias Jr., born 1789 in Simsbury.  This goal has been met with verification by the close match with our newly discovered 9th cousin, January, 2005.

(3) Find more branches of all Humphrey families who have immigrated to America. We have been able to merge some of our more recent R1b Humphrey lineages to a common ancestor in Wales, late 1700's, and we now have 13 R1b members with Celtic & British ancestry and my original 4 I1a* family members with English/Norman/Scandinavian ancestry.

DNA testing can help knock down traditional brick walls in genealogy, and we've already had some early success in distinguishing lineages.

Our DNA project has initially differentiated 2 distinct  genetic lines, & revealed highly likely common ancestry with  Sutton, Morton, Liles, & Peet families, circa (1100 - 1500).  It has corroborated our genealogical paper trail to historical southeast English, highly probable Norman & Scandinavian ancestry, and discovered separate Celtic/Irish/Welsh lineages.

 Our Humphrey surname has Norman/Scandinavian roots: we appear in America from 1640;  in England, Wales, & Ireland before 1066 and in greater numbers afterwards;  Normandy from the 8th century; and in Scandinavia by the 5th century.  Our DNA test & SNP test results indicate we are in  Y - chromosome haplogroup "I1a*" a clan that has most likely been in Scandinavia for  3000-4000 years.

DNA testing has identified Humphrey lineages with Celtic ancestry, haplogroup R1b, the most prevalent in Europe. After the Viking era, there were many Irish Celtic natives who adopted Scandinavian surnames, as well as many Britons in England who adopted Scandinavian surnames. Our goal is to identify as many Humphrey lineages as possible.


Search for cousins

Our current research indicates that our direct paternal line to Michael Humphrey has no surviving 4th, 6th, or 7th paternal-line male cousins. We are actively seeking DNA results from our 2nd & 3rd cousins, essential for our goals. We're still seeking 5th, 8th & more distant cousins to establish a Humphrey modal haplotype to help us find the relationships among Humphrey families in America & Europe.  We've been extremely fortunate to obtain DNA results from a 9th cousin,  confirming the paternity relationship of Ozias Humphrey of Simsbury.

 

                              To go directly to our DNA Results/Analysis, go to:  Results Table

FTDNA Humphrey surname project: (sign up here)

 

 

                      Who were Michael Humphrey's ancestors?

04/21/07:  I'm going back to the Dorset Country Records offica once again for a more thorough search. We still have not been able to locate likely ancestry for Michael's father. If the forthcoming DNA results show Jonas to have been I1a* & close match with our haplotype, we could venture the assumption that they were close cousins, and expand our searches for ancestry of Jonas in Wendover, 1620.

Honiton records have revealed many possibilities, but nothing supportable with records. The Devon Country records office in Exeter conducted a detailed search of Manorial & other records back to the 13th century. There's no clear connection with the Humphreys of Honiton into the mid 1800's or Ozias, the court painter who settled in London.

English history, linguistics & the genetic results suggest searching in Sussex, Essex, Norfolk, & York, so we're contacting those County records offices. 



4 Humphrey Families in America - 1600's:

 

#1: Michael Humphrey - Born 1620, immigrated from Lyme Regis, Dorset, to Connecticut in 1640. Lived in Windsor & Simsbury, died in 1698. Many descendants lived in/near Simsbury & New York state.

#2: John Humphrey - Born 1600, immigrated from Chaldon Herring, Dorset, to Massachessetts in 1635, died ~1685 in Chaldon Herring.   Many of  decendants lived for at least 2 centuries in/near Hingham, Mass. & North Yarmouth, Maine.

#3: Jonas Humphrey - Born ~1620 in Wendover, England, immigrated to Dorchester, Mass in 1637. Died 1699 in Weymouth, Mass.

#4:  John Humphreys - Born ~1720 in County Armagh, Ireland. His son, David Carlisle Humphreys, born 1741 in Ireland, came to America about 1764, settling in Greenville, Virginia.

Humphrey Genealogy Book:

The Humphreys Family in America - Frederick Humphreys, M.D., 1883 (published by Tuttle Antiquarian Books, Rutland Vermont)

This book (3 volumes), has an extensive section on European family history as well as the American history.

Current status of our database:

As of 11/13/05 I've uploaded 2100 of our recorded 3100+ Humphrey family members in our database. This database is at the RootsWeb/WorldConnect and WorldFamilyTree sites whose links are shown above.  I will  continue to update these sites and the 2 corresponding tables below:  Kinship & Ancestors of Michael Humphrey.


Our Gedcom file can be found at: Humphrey.113005.private.GED

It can be searched at the RootsWeb link:  RootsWeb/WordConnect site

or, at the WorldFamilyTree website with an online Gedcom viewer:
Humphrey Genealogy Gedcom viewer:

(If you use this latter option, some patience is helpful - the viewer takes 10+ secs to load, even with a fast connection)




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Go To:  Results Table

FTDNA Humphrey surname project: (sign up here)
 


Y Chromosome Results: 12, 25, 37, & 67 markers


Our FTDNA surname project is young, and we are actively seeking Humphrey participants. Initially, I had 9 exact matches at 12 markers with members of the Sutton & Morton families. I also have a 24/25 match with Morton & Peet (they are 25/25), and all differences are 1-step "fast-moving" markers, shown below in red.  More Sutton data will appear in the near future. As of July 2, 2005, we have 3 distinct Humphrey lines, haplogroups "I1a*" & "R1b", as shown below.

Ongoing studies are sharpening estimates of mutation rates. The red markers below appear to change much faster than the others. There are pointers below to papers which give more detail than appears here. Meanwhile, we will continue to use all but the 464 markers as an indication of common ancestry in the surname timeframe, beginning in approximately year 1000 (tho the Humphrey surname origins, Hunfrei, etc, are several centuries earlier.  Once recent common ancestry is established, the 464 markers can be used to make finer distinctions, i.e., in the last ~7 generations.  *** Also, FTDNA now offers a 37-marker test upgrade & 67-marker test upgrade, for higher resolution matching.

The sequence of DNA markers below for each individual is that person's haplotype. Haplotypes can be mapped into Haplogroups, and recent and ongoing research of the quickly-growing international database of DNA test results has made it possible to map human population migrations, using haplogroups over the past 180,000 years. This is interesting to human historians, but generally, genealogists are interested in the past few centuries, and back to the "surname era" in various countries. See descriptions and turorials below for more details. There are web pointers below that reference more technical information.

The Haplogroups shown below are currently assessed by FTDNA to be "I", or "R1b". The Trace Genetics SNP test for P30 & P40 has verified that I'm I1a1, so it's very likely that all the members below who match me 12/12 & have DYS455=8 and YCAIIa,b=19,21 are also I1a*.

Haplogroup definition: all members of a Haplogroup are direct paternal descendants of a single man. All "R1b" have a forefather in common. All "I" have a forefather in common, different from that of the R1b group. UEP's (unique event polymorphisms) are the unique genetic events (mutations) that identify these ancestors.

The test results below, sets of DYS Markers (D = DNA, Y = Y-chromosome, S = segment), are called haplotypes. Currently, any given Haplogroup is comprised of many different haplotypes. The Haplogroups below are about 92% certain: a SNP (UEP) test is needed to confirm.

The DNA result table below is immediately after the "Search for cousins table".
 
For more detail about FTDNA SNP/Haplogroup testing see:  FTDNA Testing:


                                                               

 

 




FTDNA DYS RESULTS :



Each member's surname is followed by a "-", then some information about the most distant paternal ancestor known. Michael Humphrey's son Michael, born 1620 in Lyme Regis, Dorset, immigrated to Connecticut in 1640.

Members 18304 & 41586 were unaware of their common male ancestry in Wales until they compared their family trees, after finding their exact Y-chromosome match at 25 markers.  The green haplogroups are confirmed by SNP testing,  the red are inferred from matching haplotypes with an SNP confirmed haplotype.

Three of our 4 E3b members match 12/12,  & the other matches 11/12.   One is getting a full SNP "backbone" SNP test from FTDNA.
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Soon we will have results for a direct male descendant of Jonas Humphrey, 1620, who immigrated from Wendover, Buckinghamshire to Massachusetts in 1635. We're looking for some close matches with other members.  Michael Humphrey of Lyme Regis, Dorset, 1620, and Jonas are the earliest known Humphrey male immigrants to America.







FTDNA HUMPHREY SURNAME PROJECT RESULTS
 



    DYS#
# Kit Most Distant Ancestor *
H
a
p
l
o		 3
9
3		 3
9
0		 1
9		 3
9
1		 3
8
5
a		 3
8
5
b		 4
2
6		 3
8
8		 4
3
9		 3
8
9
|
1		 3
9
2		 3
8
9
|
2		 4
5
8		 4
5
9
a		 4
5
9
b		 4
5
5		 4
5
4		 4
4
7		 4
3
7		 4
4
8		 4
4
9		 4
6
4
a		 4
6
4
b		 4
6
4
c		 4
6
4
d		 4
6
0		 G
A
T
A

H
4		 Y
C
A

I
I

a		 Y
C
A

I
I

b		 4
5
6		 6
0
7		 5
7
6		 5
7
0		 C
D
Y

a		 C
D
Y

b		 4
4
2		 4
3
8		 5
3
1		 5
7
8		 3
9
5
S
1
a		 3
9
5
S
1
b		 5
9
0		 5
3
7		 6
4
1		 4
7
2		 4
0
6
S
1		 5
1
1		 4
2
5		 4
1
3
a		 4
1
3
b		 5
5
7		 5
9
4		 4
3
6		 4
9
0		 5
3
4		 4
5
0		 4
4
4		 4
8
1		 5
2
0		 4
4
6		 6
1
7		 5
6
8		 4
8
7		 5
7
2		 6
4
0		 4
9
2		 5
6
5
E3b  
1 53677   E3b 13 26 13 11 14 18 11 12 12 13 11 33                                                                                                              
2 83358   E3b 13 26 13 11 14 18 11 12 12 13 11 33                                                                                                              
3 86056   E3b 13 26 13 11 14 18 11 12 12 13 11 33 17 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 31 16 16 16 17 10 10 18 22 15 13 16 18 30 35 13 11                                                            
4 41818   - 13 26 13 11 15 18 11 12 12 13 11 33                                                                                                              
  5

   E3b
 13
 26
 13
 11
 14
 18
 11
 12
 12
 13
 11
 33































































 
I  
5 77834   I 14 23 17 11 16 16 11 13 11 13 12 29 15 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 26 11 11 14 15 10 10 19 19 17 15 17 18 31 35 12 10                                                            
 
I1b  
6 65482 Herbert Humphries  I1b 13 24 16 11 15 15 11 13 13 13 11 33                                                                                                              
 
I1c  
7 71356   I1c 14 22 16 10 15 15 11 13 11 13 12 29 16 8 10 11 11 26 15 19 28 11 14 14 14 11 10 19 19 16 17 18 19 33 36 12 10                                                            
 
MichaelHumphreyI1a*  
8 36428 Henry Peet, born 1812, Wigan, Lancashire, England  I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 20 27 12 14 15 16 11 10 19 21 14 14 15 20 35 37 12 10                                                            
9 73613   I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 13 11 29 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 20 27 12 14 15 16                                                                                    
10 26490 Michael Humphrey  I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 13 11 29 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 20 27 12 14 15 16 10 10 19 21 15 14 16 19 35 37 12 10 11 8 15 15 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 23 26 15 10 12 12 16 8 14 24 20 14 13 11 12 10 11 12 11
11 19745 Michael Humphrey  I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 13 11 29 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 20 27 12 14 15 16 10 10 19 21 15 14 16 19 36 37 12 10